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    Free dating site makes $300k a month from Adsense

    I just did a search to double-check, but it appears no one has made a post about this yet. PlentyofFish.com is making big headlines since its owner has gone public about his Adsense earnings on WebmasterWorld.

    This story is deep and there is a very smart guy behind it. I've copied my newest blog post about this below:

    When I hear a story of online success, I'm all over it. I want to understand the beliefs and outlook on the person behind it and what they did to make it successful. After plenty of these great success stories this year, here comes another one that perhaps tops all of them.

    By now you probably have heard about Markus Frind of PlentyofFish.com. He has gone public both on forums and in interviews about making $1 million in 3 months from Adsense.

    I first ran into this story a few days ago reading this blog post on "anti-marketing" design. Up against other popular dating sites, PlentyofFish's design would lead you to believe that Markus would be lucky to be making about $30 a day; in fact, in 2003 he was making $40 a day from Adsense (although this may have been from other sites.)

    So lets back up; is it the design that makes his site successful? Between saved bandwidth expenses, and a better Google clickthrough rate, I think it is very important. However, as I dug further into this story I discovered that behind this simple design was a very complex system and someone who worked smart & hard to be sucessful; here is a direct quote from WMW :

    Keeping my site fast and running is one of my smallest issues.

    1. Approving and editing 20,000 images/day
    2. BLocking 1000 nigerian russian scams, escorts etc per day.
    3. Blocking fake accounts, trouble makers etc.
    4. 100k+ edits/modications/day

    5 to 10% of yahoo's and the industries total signups are scams escorts etc. I'd guess these guys steal on the order of $100-400 million per year from the industry.


    How does he moderate all of this? Automation. This is brilliant. Considering other companies must hire hundreds of employees to do all of this, I suspect he is looking at a multi-million dollar buyout within a matter of months. Could he go the way of craigslist and resist it? I don't know; he's waving a big flag trying to get a lot of attention right now, and its certainly working.

    This story reminds me about computer games. There has been such a huge focus on graphics the last 10 years that gameplay is rarely innovative and often hollow. The same can be said of websites. Post a link on Sitepoint and people are all over you about web standards, not "does your website work and does it help people?" The ugliness of Myspace was the first big single that may be pretty designs aren't important; PlentyofFish is the nail in the coffen.

    As humans one of our biggest weaknesses is becoming obsessed with what is not important. We spend 90% of our time on that little 5% -- and that is why so many of us fail. PlentyofFish is an example of what happens when someone understands that its not the fancy design that brings in visitors, its something else. He understands that search engine traffic is important, but its even more important to have visitors that come back to your site again and again.

    There is a lot more to say about this story, but for today I'll leave you to dig deeper here. I suspect Markus is being bombarded with media inquiries but I'm going to try to get an interview with him anyways.
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    How does the automation work? Automated workflow, automated administration? Is there any detail? I'm curious

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    Nice post Andrew. Inspiring story, and yes it does help you focus on the things you should be focusing on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sagewing
    How does the automation work? Automated workflow, automated administration? Is there any detail? I'm curious
    The technical issues are here: http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum23/4496.htm

    It also appears he issued a press release:
    http://www.prweb.com/releases/2006/3/prweb360802.htm
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    Good post Cutter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cutter
    The technical issues are here: http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum23/4496.htm

    It also appears he issued a press release:
    http://www.prweb.com/releases/2006/3/prweb360802.htm
    And from this:
    Please no inquiries from venture capitalists, marketers, or partnership opportunities.
    That sounds like "hay give me a call!" or am I just being cynical ?

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    He didn't list acquisitions.
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    Nice post Cutter... The thing is, it does seem to be the sites that have poor designs that make the most money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike
    Nice post Cutter... The thing is, it does seem to be the sites that have poor designs that make the most money.
    Maybe this is due to an inflated page rank caused by forums like this linking to the site, discussing how bad the design is and discussing how much they make.
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    I also remember reading somewhere that he has huge advertising expenses though. You have to take that into account as well.

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    I think it's more that the people who make ugly designs are more prominently 'do-it-yourself' people who don't like hiring people to make their site pretty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fender963
    I also remember reading somewhere that he has huge advertising expenses though. You have to take that into account as well.
    Depends what the definition of huge is, he says he's spending $15,000 a month on server costs while other dating sites the same size spend a million. What he is really doing is using the idea of a free dating site to pull in leads that search engines aren't reaching, and he's filtering those leads to the paid dating sites through Adsense. Whether the sites re-coop their investment is irrelevent, because there is so much competition in dating that companies don't care if they lose money as long as they can grow their user base.
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    Ok guys, markus just accepted my request for an interview. PM me questions you want me to ask him, I'm sending the questions to him at 9pm CST. I can only include 2 or 3 of your questions, so make them good.
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    How much is your advertising budget and which methods do you prefer? CPM, CPC, CPA etc....

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    Ok, I got that one Fender, but please PM me any additional questions if you have them.
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    Dating sites proboally have ads that pay $1 per click. That is 1,000 clicks per day.

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