Anti-Social Behaviour

[AndyH]

Communism fails, it is a proven fact.

[incka]

Certain forms of it fail (ie: Marxism), but other forms won't fail

[chromate]

I think the main problem, at least around the areas I've lived in, is pure boredom. Most youths want to hang out with big groups of friends. Feeling popular is important to them. No parent wants large groups of youths in their house. So where do they hang out? Petrol stations, street corners etc.. anywhere with some street light. Then of course the problem is, there's nothing to do. Then they discover it's fun and exciting to cause trouble under the protection offered by being in a group. There's obviously no excuse, but having something set up for them to do that isn't seen as "un-fashionable" would go a long way to help the problem.

The other problem is parents. It seems like half the time they don't really care what their kids are up to. The worse their kids get, the less they want to have anything to do with them. If the parents don't sort their kids out, then it's left up to the Police. Hence the "anti police" culture amongst youths.

I know this is unpopular, but I do think video games, TV etc do play a part in the problem too. Maybe not to you and me, because of the environment we live in. But if you're already in a bad environment and all you see, or want to see, on TV is crime, violence, disrespect etc then that will play a part in re-inforcing the current environment you're living in as being the norm. I'm not suggesting that these things get "banned" though, I'm just saying that I think they DO play a part. To suggest that you're not influenced by a film / music is kinda naive. After all, you listen / watch to emote some kind of feeling you enjoy.


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[The New Guy]

Certain forms of it fail (ie: Marxism), but other forms won't fail

Err what? You mean Leninism. Which really is modern day Communism. Marxism has never been implemented. Marx had always intended for Communism (his version) to take place in an industrialized society, not an agricultural one such as Russia and China (at the time), both of which tried and failed. The reason was because industrialized societies would are tight communities which have the foundation for a welfare state. The welfare state is one of the most critical ideas to come out of the Marx era. Remember Marx learned alot from the French revolution, which showed simply that without a social net, the division of the upper and lower class would grow, which would trigger a revolt, the lower class would replace the upper class, and the cycle continues.

The key idea, which was never implemented, is that there should be job/worker rotation. This would address the “toilet cleaning” issue. The idea is that you work to benefit society as a whole. Job rotation is important for two reasons. One, there was never a shortage of workers in a particular area and two redundant work hurts mans ambition, which leads to poor work.

Probably the worst implemented idea was the division of wealth to the people. Since many dictators used communalism as a platform to win the majorities support, which were lower class, starving agriculturalists. Once in power, they took all the wealth, but never properly redistributed it to the people.

Basic economics will tell you that any modern democracy is a pseudo-capitalist one where the foundations of which was built on the ideas of socialism.

[chrispian]

Certain forms of it fail (ie: Marxism), but other forms won't fail

All forms of communism fail. They have one fundamental flaw. Human nature. There will always be some people in the party who want more than their share. Once they do the system will fail. It has happened every single time so far and will continue to. socialism has a far grater chance of surviving that communism, especially when it is tempered with a healthy infusion of capitalism.

I'm like Mark, I grew up in a broken home too, as did most everyone I know. One of them did end up anti-social and violent. But so were his parents. Broken homes and violence on TV don't create violence. Violence is a cycle that gets perpetuated from parent to child or other traumatic events. Some people are violent at their core and, despite the media blaming it on TV and Movies, these people would have had triggers anway. The real issue is Media. These aren't new problems. They have always existed. Now we have 24/7 media to show us the problem at ever turn when in the past it was hidden away because we lacked the communication channels to spread the word. Not only that, the media sensationalized this kind of "news" because it sells. Many cities have had crime rates that have gone steadily down in the last 20 years. See: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance.htm#Crime

If we have a problem, it is with the media.

[Westech]

The key idea, which was never implemented, is that there should be job/worker rotation. This would address the “toilet cleaning” issue. The idea is that you work to benefit society as a whole. Job rotation is important for two reasons. One, there was never a shortage of workers in a particular area and two redundant work hurts mans ambition, which leads to poor work.

You seem to be well educated on this subject. I readily admit that I am not, but you've sparked my interest now...

To me it would seem that job rotation wouldn't work so well in an industrialized society due to the specialization required for someone to do certain high-level jobs well. For instance, if computer programmers are spending part of their time doing manual labor, then who is programming the computers during that time? People would become "jacks of all trades and masters of none," and production would plummet. Was this issue ever addressed by Marx?

[James]

I grew up with Mario killing creatures brutally by bashing them over the head with his body, Metroid shooting aliens, Bomberman killing other people with explosives, 007 shooting someone with a rocket launcher, the Master Chief blowing the CRAP out of a bunch of grunts with a plasma grenade... I've grown up with all of these violent movies and video games. Because I have the proper values instilled in me, and a good home life, I'm not violent. I like kickboxing and punching punching bags, but that's just fun for me. I don't go picking for fights, don't carry around a knife (though I should start, just for protection because this town's getting PRETTY SCARY to walk home at 4:00 in the morning in) and I don't vandalise. Either do any of the other people that I know grew up with violent video games and movies. I think violent people are more caused by violent parents, and troubled home lives than anything else. And people who don't get enough attention from parents, and figure out that news spreads fast that if they "kicked a guy's ***", and they can get attention that way.

[moonshield]

lol, where I live, the city commisoner is extremely critized because he said "urban blacks live in a moral sewer".

I think the heros people are coming up with have something to do with it. Personally I never really had heros, I never needed them. BUT when a kid thinks '50 cent' is cool for being shot x times, what limit can there be to the madness.

I dont believe that communism in any form works. I am a pure capitalist. Capitalism gives us the ability to do what we are doing right now, and survive. Entreprenurialship is encouraged. In a communist society the state is what must be supported.

my US$ .02

[Chris Choi]

Another source is the media, cartoons and comics books encourage violence, when I was younger I watched the history channel, the programs watched by the youth of today are violent cartoons in the main. Another problem is the abusing language on tv, channel 4 has recently started using the word for female dog often in its programming for youths.

Hey let's not get so far ahead of ourselves
I grew up on Marvel Comics, played video games all day, grew up
poor, had a dysfunctional family and I turned out quite okay

[James]

[quote}when a kid thinks '50 cent' is cool for being shot x times, what limit can there be to the madness.[/quote]
Good point.