Anti-Social Behaviour

[incka]

Has anyone experienced any of it? It's definatly getting out of hand, there is so much more of it now, I wish Mr. Blunket would force councils to distrobute far more of the A.S.B.O.s to offenders

[MarkB]

Maybe if they tackled the source of the problem, rather than the problem, things would get better.

[incka]

The source of the problem is poorly organised family units. The only way to solve the problem is to have tests on parents and if they fail taking the children away from them to be brought up in collective homes run by the government.

Another source is the media, cartoons and comics books encourage violence, when I was younger I watched the history channel, the programs watched by the youth of today are violent cartoons in the main. Another problem is the abusing language on tv, channel 4 has recently started using the word for female dog often in its programming for youths.

Another source of the problem is low income, the only effective ways of dealing with his are higher standards of education, such as those in Canada described to me by Saad (thebillionaire), or a communist state, which I would support.

So the problems are capitalist and libertarian. The solution is communist and authoritarian. Looking at the political compass Stalin seems in a good place.

[tony]

the only way to stop the problem is by using more severe punishments, its past the stage of parents as were on the 2nd and 3rd generation of scallies now so its technically not their fault they dont know any better. Although saying that i orignally come from a bit of a bad area (moss side anyone?) but had a good family and ive not gona down the same street as most of my school friends, and with hard work it proves you dont have to stay in the bad areas, theyre just lazy and out for what they can get, if the world was a much harder place then they would soon sort themselves out, in my opinion scroungers should be taught how to fix the rail lines that way we get our trains back on track for nothing

[incka]

Infact, the BBC is just as bad with it's childrens programming, and the presentators with their, um, youth elitism, it is encouraging anti-social behavour, especially 'Dick and Dom'. After being harassed on the bus today by a gang of youthes I really do I want this problem solved, I no longer feel safe to use public transport, and for me that means about an hour extra travel every working day, which means an hour less working for my business, which who knows means how much lost profits.


I'm thinking community service would be good punishment for people who commit anti-social offences. It adds back value to the community they have abused and shows them what they do and so they learn not to do it again.

[tony]

aaah the problems on buses ive had, im not a fighting person i tend to talk my way out of it but ive had 3 fights on buses cos a group of loud mouth scallies think theyre good in a group, its great when the whole bus stands up to them and kicks them off

[MarkB]

Jesus, Incka, what newspapers do you use to be dribbling such inane conservative dogma?

So what's the problem? Broken homes, violent cartoons, or poverty?

I grew up in a broken home, watched many a violent film and cartoon, and am from the depths of the working classes, but I'm not a thug - nor are any of my friends, all from similar backgrounds (except my wife, who was blessed with two parents who actually stayed together).

The problem is economic on one hand, yes, but that doesn't excuse the behaviour of middle class thugs that like to kick in the heads of Asians.

It comes down to providing infrastructure, especially after-school programs for youth, to give them something else to do other than stand around street corners, getting bored.

[r2d2]

The source of the problem is poorly organised family units. The only way to solve the problem is to have tests on parents and if they fail taking the children away from them to be brought up in collective homes run by the government.

As a tax payer I wouldnt be too happy about working all day to pay for other peoples children to be raised 'properly'*, then come home in the evening and have to raise my own children (when I have them).

*Currently childrens homes hardly have a great reputation for disciplining kids well, theres one not far from me, and theres always burnt out cars near it from the kids out joyriding...



I think a major factor is population density, these problems always appear to be much worse in areas with high numbers of people, where kids can feel anonymous - the village where I grew up, most people knew you or your parents, so you kinda kept that in mind....

I do agree with Mark though on you "dribbling such inane conservative dogma" Incka, communism is hardly the solution - the problems we have in this country are nothing compared to the ones they had/have in communist countries...

I really think though that offenders should get a lot more community service type punishments, and prisoners should be doing manual labour to pay for the effort needed to punish them - I stay on the right side of the law, why should I be paying when other people step over it?

[r2d2]

Oh, and couldnt you get a taxi Incka? Im sure it would be even quicker than the bus too..

[moonshield]

hey, political discussion? I have a site for that! policyradar.com

[Shawn]

Communism is a solution? Captialism is the problem?

Okay, give 75% of your income to other people who don't work and need money. Seriously. Even though communism isn't UK's official system, it doesn't matter, YOU can still make a difference. Go give 75% of your money to people you don't know and let them spend it how they want. If you believe in communism that much, do it.

But you won't. Because you want to keep the money that you make.

[The New Guy]

From an academic stand point if the worker found value in the work alone they would not need montary compensation.

[Westech]

The problem with that is that the world still needs toilet scrubbers and poultry plant workers.

[James]

Violence on TV never hurt me none. IT DOESN'T MAKE YOU ANY MORE F*KING VIOLENT! *beats the crap out of everyone--twice*

I think that we really just need to have VALUES instilled into people. Other things can't really be helped, in my opinion.

[Cutter]

I'm not sure which history channel you were watching growing up incka. It sounds to me like you are manifesting your personal problems in political beliefs. Everyone has gotten in fights or been harassed by someone at some point in their lives. Some of us for longer than we wished. If you learn to deal with your anger realistically it will save you a lot of grief and stress in the long run.

Seriously -- violent cartoons are a problem but Stalin wasn't such a bad guy? I'll take a moderate crime rate over a ruler that murders millions of innocent people any day.