Well, AWS works

Google will already penalize a site that has excessively identical content. If it gets really bad, they may try and implement something, but I think that would be some way off anyway. If a middle-man means that something is presented in a more easily understood and accesssible fashion, then I don't see it as a bad thing.

Also, as I said to Incka, you wont have any extra PR to throw around unless you source backlinks, just like any other site. Just because I site has loads of pages, doesn't mean it'll have loads of PR.

It's actually quite hard to get PR through backlinks on a AWS site. There are so many pages that making a link structure can be difficult in my opinion.

I have a casino review site - surely if I made an AWS site which only sold Gambling books etc, and then link to my review site at the bottom of every page on the AWS site, this would give me loads of backlinks, and hence increase my PR.

Sure each page will only have a low PR, but a thousand links from pages about related content would be a definite gain.

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Originally posted by chromate
Google will already penalize a site that has excessively identical content.

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They do? What proof do you have?

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Originally posted by r2d2
I have a casino review site - surely if I made an AWS site which only sold Gambling books etc, and then link to my review site at the bottom of every page on the AWS site, this would give me loads of backlinks, and hence increase my PR.

Sure each page will only have a low PR, but a thousand links from pages about related content would be a definite gain.

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It's not the number of links that's important. It's how much PR they carry. If you're going to create a secondary site only to channel the PR into your primary site, then why not just get the backlinks to your primary site instead, and skip the "in between" site which, if used, will actually result in slightly less PR for your primary site anyway.

Like Mike says, it would be hard to build a decent number of backlinks to an AWS site anway.

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Originally posted by r2d2
They do? What proof do you have?

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From Google:

- Don't create multiple pages, subdomains, or domains with substantially duplicate content.

- Avoid "doorway" pages created just for search engines, or other "cookie cutter" approaches such as affiliate programs with little or no original content.

I don't recall any specific cases, but if you really want proof, try creating a load of identical sites and see what happens ;) It's an educated guess that google wouldn't be too pleased about it.

But of course, if you don't care what Google thinks then do what you want ;)

It's amazing how tied into Google we all are :(

Not really considering they control the majority of net traffic and consequently, a lot of incomes. It's almost like, not wanting to piss off the boss through fear of the sack :)

I do agree it's a shame it is that way though. I intend to create a site to be promoted offline because of that very reason. Haven't figured out what yet though :( heh

I don't get much of my traffic from google...

It's the way that most people get traffic though Mark.

I know - but it's a pity they don't have more competition so we wouldn't be chasing our own tails trying to optimise our site just for one search engine. Just spend time creating a good site and let all the engines gobble them up.

*sigh* I just remember the days when all you'd do is try and get listed in Yahoo! :p

Haha. Yeah. It's kind of nice in another way though, because at least we can focus on how one engine works without having to divide our attention between several. Though it would make for a more stable environment. I'm sure the balance will be spread a bit more evenly in future though.

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Originally posted by chromate
It's not the number of links that's important. It's how much PR they carry. If you're going to create a secondary site only to channel the PR into your primary site, then why not just get the backlinks to your primary site instead, and skip the "in between" site which, if used, will actually result in slightly less PR for your primary site anyway.

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I actually mean using all the PR power from the AWS site itself - all pages have PR with which they can vote, even if they have no incoming links. Granted it will be quite low, but 1000 lots of 'not much' could add up to 'quite a bit'.

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Originally posted by chromate Also, as I said to Incka, you wont have any extra PR to throw around unless you source backlinks, just like any other site. Just because I site has loads of pages, doesn't mean it'll have loads of PR.

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You will have PR - all pages start with a certain amount of PR (which is the average PR of the whole internet), this is then spread around by linking. Theres a good page which describes this better than I can, but I will have to have a search for it I think...


PS: It wasnt me who asked for proof on the duplicate content matter! Am very aware of Googles guideleines.... :)

Oops, sorry, I forgot to change the name in the quote :)

I understand how it works, and you're right, to an extent. You're correct that all the pages will contribute a certain amount of PR. But without any incoming links that PR will be SO slim that even having 1k+ links, it would still hardly be noticed.

My point is, if you're after PR then you would be far better off creating even a small site, that has just a few backlinks and then sending that PR on to the primary site rather than having a massive thousand page site with no backlinks.

At the end of the day, you can't "manufacture" PR effectively. I say just take the easy road and get a few backlinks. It's too easy to confuse shear quantity of pages with actual PR contribution. I used to make that exact mistake when checking out competition.

As of yesterday I started getting traffic from Google. Google doesn't have nearly every page indexed yet but it looks like I'm getting 1-2k a day.

How do you get so much from google?

I'm sure there is something you are not revealing...