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Haha. Yeah. It's kind of nice in another way though, because at least we can focus on how one engine works without having to divide our attention between several. Though it would make for a more stable environment. I'm sure the balance will be spread a bit more evenly in future though.
I actually mean using all the PR power from the AWS site itself - all pages have PR with which they can vote, even if they have no incoming links. Granted it will be quite low, but 1000 lots of 'not much' could add up to 'quite a bit'.Quote:
Originally posted by chromate
It's not the number of links that's important. It's how much PR they carry. If you're going to create a secondary site only to channel the PR into your primary site, then why not just get the backlinks to your primary site instead, and skip the "in between" site which, if used, will actually result in slightly less PR for your primary site anyway.
You will have PR - all pages start with a certain amount of PR (which is the average PR of the whole internet), this is then spread around by linking. Theres a good page which describes this better than I can, but I will have to have a search for it I think...Quote:
Originally posted by chromate Also, as I said to Incka, you wont have any extra PR to throw around unless you source backlinks, just like any other site. Just because I site has loads of pages, doesn't mean it'll have loads of PR.
PS: It wasnt me who asked for proof on the duplicate content matter! Am very aware of Googles guideleines.... :)
Oops, sorry, I forgot to change the name in the quote :)
I understand how it works, and you're right, to an extent. You're correct that all the pages will contribute a certain amount of PR. But without any incoming links that PR will be SO slim that even having 1k+ links, it would still hardly be noticed.
My point is, if you're after PR then you would be far better off creating even a small site, that has just a few backlinks and then sending that PR on to the primary site rather than having a massive thousand page site with no backlinks.
At the end of the day, you can't "manufacture" PR effectively. I say just take the easy road and get a few backlinks. It's too easy to confuse shear quantity of pages with actual PR contribution. I used to make that exact mistake when checking out competition.
As of yesterday I started getting traffic from Google. Google doesn't have nearly every page indexed yet but it looks like I'm getting 1-2k a day.
How do you get so much from google?
I'm sure there is something you are not revealing...
How come your getting traffic from google with no PR?
Yeah...
Your not on the first 5 pages for discount power tools...
It must be on some items, but the ones I tried all had other sites on, but not yours (only first page tried)...
1-2k a day? Already? Man, you have all the luck! You're not even listed for "Discount Power Tools" yet? I guess a fair bit of your traffic is coming in through your sub-pages? Even so, I'm surprised it's that high already.
This just wants me to set up AWS sites...
Are you applying to tribal fusion or are you putting google ads on or are you not having any ads?
I feel like the skinny guy on the beach getting sand kicked in his face (I'm sure it's not intentional). My site went live about the same time, but I can't even get Google to crawl it yet. What kills me is that I'm already picking up a little bit of traffic from some good keyword searches. If only Google would crawl my site I think I could get a lot more.Quote:
Originally posted by Chris
As of yesterday I started getting traffic from Google. Google doesn't have nearly every page indexed yet but it looks like I'm getting 1-2k a day.
I know, I know, be patient. Maybe I need to talk to my doctor about PSEP (Poor Search Engine Performance). Perhaps he could prescribe the Google Patch.
Ah ok :) Yeah, I think we are actually agreeing here really... I agree it would be slim, im thinking maybe, PR0 to PR2 or 3 maybe for the receiving page....Quote:
Originally posted by chromate
I understand how it works, and you're right, to an extent. You're correct that all the pages will contribute a certain amount of PR. But without any incoming links that PR will be SO slim that even having 1k+ links, it would still hardly be noticed.
And I definetly agree that backlinks are the way to go - was just thinking about the theory out loud really :)
With regards Chris's luck with his new site, try a search for reef club casino review , and check who is number 1 and 2 :) Then notice I dont have any PR even on my homepage - (havent been around during a PR update yet :) ) Im pretty pleased with that - but I guess its fresh content boost for a while.... Could be the same for Chris's site....
I'm likely listed now as new content, they're likely not permanent listings, and yes, its the subpages that are bringing in the traffic, as it should be.
With thousands of pages of products, even after I am fully indexed with PR, the homepage will probably only be a small percentage of the total traffic. Most traffic will come from specific searches like this.
Is the traffic converting well?
Adding adverts?
I haven't seen any sales yet, but I don't think Amazon has updated. I will probably ad adverts if the traffic stays up where it is.
i think chris is hiding something....
he must be a google special agent...
I've just checked my Amazon reports to see I've had 5 items shipped. Get this, none of the items are from any of my "kitchen" sites. They're all weird DVD's and books from the marketplace. lol
Unfortunately, being the marketplace I only get a 2.5% referal fee. Sucks really, out of $50.76 worth of goods I've only made $1.28.
Still, 11.11% conversion can't be bad can it? Even if it is on items that I had no intention of marketing! :)
It's about time people bought some kitchen equipment! Haha
EDIT - Amazon must have been updating. I've had 3 orders for kitchen stuff today. One was a $150 cookware set. And the other 2 were about $20 - $30 worth. Good stuff. It's working out. And I still have no PR :) It can only get better.
chromate, how long did it take you to set up your AWS site?
When is the next PR update... I know loads of us that are waiting...
The first one took a little while as I coded it from scratch refering to the developers kit and some tutorials. The next 2 were much faster as I made the code pretty modular and it's pretty basic anyway.Quote:
Originally posted by Nick
chromate, how long did it take you to set up your AWS site?
I submitted to google a couple of days ago, should I keep submitting?
Also chromate, what's your traffic like at the moment?
Not great at all. I'm getting about 50 unique users on each site a day. All three sites each have about 600 to 700 pages indexed by google.
Chris's has just short of 900 pages indexed. Even so, I still have no idea why he's getting 1 to 2 thousand uniques when I'm only getting about 50. Hmm. I guess people just search for branded powertools more. But still, that's quite a lot more.
Because more people want power tools from google than kitchen stuff.
LOL... I just noticed Chris has "Complete Idiot's Guide to the Kama Sutra" indexed by google...
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...ountpowertools
How did that happen? Haha
That's just what I said, if you read my original post :)Quote:
Originally posted by incka
Because more people want power tools from google than kitchen stuff.
I've also noticed (from looking at Chris's site) a couple of important SEO things I'm missing to increase traffic on the sub-pages.
1) In the title have the product name and THEN put the site name. If the product name's first, it'll rank higher.
2) At the moment I'm using a heading tag for the name of the site as well as the product. I'm going to change the name of the site to graphics and that will just leave the product name heading. By doing so is should increase the item's ranking.
3) I'm also going to create a few links that will return all items by a particular brand name.
Perhaps my estimate was a little high. On Monday I only got 800.
I wonder :oQuote:
Originally posted by chromate
LOL... I just noticed Chris has "Complete Idiot's Guide to the Kama Sutra" indexed by google...
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...ountpowertools
How did that happen? Haha
How do you know Chris has 900 pages indexed Chromate? Does the toolbar tell you somewhere?
Thanks,
Mike
I've got even more health and personal care listings:
http://www.google.com/search?q=allin...&sa=N&filter=0
Mike, in google search:
"allinurl: domainname.com"
I think one thing that would improve performance would be to list more than 10 products per page... anyone know if that is possible?
Thanks Chromate, no pages indexed for me yet:(
I don't know if it would work, but you could try something like:Quote:
Originally posted by Chris
I think one thing that would improve performance would be to list more than 10 products per page... anyone know if that is possible?
That's what I do for the homepage on my site (after chromates guidance:)). I'm not sure if it would work with page numbers though.PHP Code:for ($i=0; $i < 5; $i++) {
//content
}
Mike, That's to display only 5 items out of the ten that're returned by amazon.
As far as I know, you can only get the standard ten items at the moment.
Yes. I found submitting each of my main category links resulted in a deep crawl within a few days. This worked with each of my 3 sites.Quote:
Originally posted by Mike
I submitted to google a couple of days ago, should I keep submitting?
Oh, and it also helps to list links to each of the pages at the bottom of each page. This will help the spider find them all instead of having to follow the one "next" link at the bottom of each page.
Not sure, but it would be very difficult I think. I read that it is currently hard-coded at 10 products per page.Quote:
Originally posted by Chris
I think one thing that would improve performance would be to list more than 10 products per page... anyone know if that is possible?
Maybe you could show two 'pages' per page? Numbering the pages would be tricky then though I think?
Thinking about it, I don't think it would be that hard to show "two pages" per page. All you would have to do is make sure you skip a page on subsequent requests from "next" and "previous" links.
Request: 1, 3, 5, 7
Just divide the total page number by 2.
Still, I would wait until they release AWS4. There may be some way of requesting a different amount of items to be returned. Only about a month to wait.
You're supposed to be able to get up to 30 results for an ASIN search if you do a lite request. Outside of that, it's hardcoded at 10 results per request.
Of course, in order for that to be useful, you'd have to have a database of ASINs found in the particular browsenode you were targetting.
The other way to go would be to separate data collection from presentation. I know some people are doing that. Have a set of scripts that request the data from Amazon and put it in a database, then another set that displays the info any way you'd like. That would also guard against AWS outages to some degree. Of course it's a lot more work and overhead.
I think just doing what's been outlined by r2d2 would be easier and also result in less overhead.
Can you get the average customer review from "lite" calls?