How much do you know about jon?

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Originally Posted by mark1

Lol , I like your style vahsi.. ehe diplomacy surely is not your strength :D

I don't want to talk about Jon specifically, but we gotta admit the net is packed to capacity of BSers.

A bit of healthy skepticism is good imho.

I just finished to read the blog of a mum who earns $22,000 a month with her ppc campaign, yet she spends a lot of time to write a blog full of referral links to teach you how to saturate her market...yeah sure mummy, just reading the comments of the readers blessing their new found Messiah is an eye opener... suckerland at its best.

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As you said mark, there are alot of BSers out there with get rich quick schemes, like most of us here know that there are no "get rich quick scheme", well first of all if there was such a scheme we'd all be rich by now and more and more internet users are starting to realise that (although there's still a fraction of internet users how believe in that stuff after getting scammed time after time) and there's a new trend happening where the scammers are getting more clever and they're understanding whatever they're offering have to be more realistic because all get rich shemes are starting to look like one another.

I am skeptical of most people who publicize their income online, mostly because people who make a lot of moeny tend to be quiet about it. But, in this case there is no specific reason to doubt Jon except for a lack of evidence to support his claims. If he can provide useful consulting to people, great. If not, word will get around quickly.

So, why not extend the benefit of the doubt?

It's really sad and amazing to me how people are so driven by money. Everyone will pay attention to someone just because they show a picture of a fat check, but nobody is really interested in their business practices or what kind of person they are. Making money is NOT a indicator of success. I know a lot of rich people who are miserable.

Paul, your absolutely right about personalities coming through. The longer you've been online the easier this will be.

Vahsi, you are right about having skepticism. Your problem is that you are doing it too bluntly. Here is my word of advice, unless you have solid proof that the individual is a phony don't call them out.You are not the first person to call someone out on a forum. Because someone doesn't provide their name, address, phone number, photos of their home, car collection, and a list of all their businesses isn't a good enough reason.

Don't spend your time asking if someone is really this or that. Look, people doubt if Donald Trump is even a billionaire (I'm one of them.) Instead focus on what kind of advice they give. Test it out, compare it with things you've done, if it doesn't pass the test then assume that the person is a fraud.

For example, I subscribe to a magazine called Millionaire Blueprints. They had a cover article on a guy who was selling some online money making scheme. The interview went on for pages yet I never saw the guy give a hint of what he was doing. All he had to say was why this or that method didn't work (methods that I use and I know work.) I don't care how much that guy makes or doesn't make, and I sure as hell ain't buying his stuff.

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Originally Posted by Sagewing

I am skeptical of most people who publicize their income online, mostly because people who make a lot of moeny tend to be quiet about it. But, in this case there is no specific reason to doubt Jon except for a lack of evidence to support his claims. If he can provide useful consulting to people, great. If not, word will get around quickly.

So, why not extend the benefit of the doubt?

It's really sad and amazing to me how people are so driven by money. Everyone will pay attention to someone just because they show a picture of a fat check, but nobody is really interested in their business practices or what kind of person they are. Making money is NOT a indicator of success. I know a lot of rich people who are miserable.

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Would you tell people if you earned XX Million dollars? I think what your trying to say is that money doesn't bring happiness!! you'd be right if you said that but money does also give one freedom and comfy beds/cars. When it comes down to success, yes alot of people measure success by others wealth, why? Because effort = $$ per hour, More money= more effort > therefore success.

if that didn't make sense tell me and i'll try to explaining in the morning, but for now im off.

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Originally Posted by Sagewing

Making money is NOT a indicator of success. I know a lot of rich people who are miserable.

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Very well put and something I wish we saw more of in this business.

You wish we saw more miserable people in this business?

Hehe, no. I wish there were more people with the attitude of success being more than just an income. :)

I consider myself to be successful. I make a healthy income but nothing incredibly spectacular.

I feel successful largely because the work that I do benefits others directly. I am a consultant to goverment software projects to help them work efficiently (very tough!). I get a lot of satisfaction out of the fact that my work isn't just to make me money, it's useful to others in a meaningful way. I work hard, but I set my own hours and can take vacations whenever I want. I spend part of each year in Thailand, which brings me satisfaction. I have a happy marriage and some good friends.

If my income were cut in half, I'd be just as happy. I enjoy growing my business, but it's not what drives me. Being successful means being happy with what you have today, now. People who are looking at the bottom line too much may never reach a point of satisfaction - they always think 'if I could make xxxxxx/year I would be happy' but that number slowly rises :)

Just my 2c.

When money is the goal, no matter what income level you achieve, it will never be enough. I too am married with 2 small children (both beautiful girls - ages 4 & 5), and for me it is the freedom, time I can spend with my family (we live next door to our grandparents as well), and the joy I experience each day!

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Originally Posted by LeeD

When money is the goal, no matter what income level you achieve, it will never be enough.

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True!

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Originally Posted by LeeD

Hehe, no. I wish there were more people with the attitude of success being more than just an income. :)

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Thats what I thought you meant! I might be wrong, but I suspect when you can enjoy what you are doing you end up making more (unless you get lazy.)

It's true, although sadly not always. I was a paramedic in a previous career and no matter how much I enjoyed it, the pay sucked. Cops, teachers, etc.

But I do agree with you in general> You do a better job when you are liking your work!

Hmm, my motivation for starting a business on the internet would be freedom to work whenever i want/ financial freedom (enough to pay my "future mortgage" and be able to buy a few gadgets now and then, like a new comp) and because i enjoy surfing the internet, like i would surf the net 20 hours a day if i was allowed (this also includes developing potential website / website designs)