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Cloughie
01-08-2004, 03:15 AM
Hey guys,

The help I have received on this forum has been excellent so far and I need some help for me to achieve my goal.

I want to rank at least on the first page for the search term “nutritional supplements” on google.

I have optimized my site somewhat http://www.atlargenutrition.com but if you guys could look through it to see if there is anything else I can do?

I have also linked appropriately from my other sites www.wannabebig.com and www.wannabebigforums.com

I am working on getting as many links to Wannabebig so I can increase my linking power to At large. Any more hints and tips I can do to make my process to number one quicker?

Chris
01-08-2004, 09:20 PM
Change the title tag to "Nutritional Supplements by At Large Nutrition. Your #1 choice." Simply moves the keywords to the front.

Add a <h>eader.

Cloughie
01-09-2004, 02:32 AM
What do you mean add a header?

I will make that other change this evening though, thanks.

MarkB
01-09-2004, 05:40 AM
I believe Chris means have a <h1> or <h2> tag, etc, somewhere on the page (preferably at the top, I'd imagine).

Good luck :)

Cloughie
01-09-2004, 05:44 AM
I could make the first sentence in a bigger font.

r2d2
01-09-2004, 06:27 AM
No dont just change the font, you need to put your keyords in <h1> tags, so that Google thinks that your page is about "nutritional supplements".

Google uses the words in <h> tags to help decide what your page is about - if its in the title it should be a good description of whats on the page.

Eg, change

<p>Atlargenutrition, your online source for nutrition information and nutritional supplements. </p>
to

<h1>Atlargenutrition, your online source for nutritional supplements. </h1>

(Have cut out words to increase keyword density)

Have just looked at your code again and you appear to be hiding content by moving it above the top of the page - that wont be good if someone reports you.... And you have <h1> tags in the bit you are moving above the page:
<div id="contentLinks" class="contentLinks">
<p>Atlargenutrition, your online source for nutrition information and nutritional supplements. </p>
<h1>At Large Nutrition - Your number one choice for nutritional supplements.</h1>
<p><b><a href="nutrition.php?osCsid=81d22cd72663d7605ac18c6cae5e6 017">At Large Nutrition - Your number one choice for nutritional supplements.</a></b></p>
<p><a href="nutrition.php?osCsid=81d22cd72663d7605ac18c6cae5e6 017">At Large Nutrition - Your number one choice for nutritional supplements.</a></p>
<p>, online, store, us, canada nutrition, nutritional, sports nutrition, nutrition supplement, sport nutrition, body building nutrition, diet and nutrition, large, atlarge, creatine, diet, fitness, weight, body, food, athlete, athletic, health, article, lifting, muscle</p>

<p><a href="nutrition.php?osCsid=81d22cd72663d7605ac18c6cae5e6 017">At Large Nutrition - Your number one choice for nutritional supplements.</a></p>
</div>


Where .contentlinks is:

.contentLinks {
position:absolute;
left:0px;
top:-640px;
width:640px;
height:640px;
z-index:1
}

Cloughie
01-09-2004, 06:37 AM
hmm, my web designer did that for me... So I should remove it?

r2d2
01-09-2004, 06:44 AM
Ah right - all I know is that this is frowned on by Google and could get you banned, instantly ruining any SEO you have done.

However, there seems to be some debate about how often Google actually bans sites.

Im only a beginner really, so wouldnt like to say on something like this, but I wouldnt do it.

r2d2
01-09-2004, 06:52 AM
The other thing you can do is move your javascript to an external file to increase keyword density, and move ALL layout to your CSS file.

Chris
01-09-2004, 07:47 AM
You don't need to keep the default formatting of the H1 tags, you can change the size in css. But the tags should be used.

Mike
01-09-2004, 09:23 AM
Google uses the <h> tags to find what your site is about? Do they? As from what I see quite a lot of sites don't even use these tags.

Cloughie
01-09-2004, 10:57 AM
Thanks guys!

r2d2
01-09-2004, 11:25 AM
Originally posted by Mike
Google uses the <h> tags to find what your site is about? Do they? As from what I see quite a lot of sites don't even use these tags.

They use it along with all the other stuff like backlink anchor text, page title, content keyword density etc. Sites that dont use them, arent gaining the benefits. Using <h> tags is the way html was intended, hence Google uses it.

If you have two identical pages, one with keywords in <h1> tags, one with the keywords in a <font> tag instead, Google will rate the one with <h1> tags higher (ignoring duplicate content, assuming same PR etc).

Mike
01-09-2004, 01:05 PM
Are <h1> tags html? I thought they were part of CSS.

r2d2
01-09-2004, 01:50 PM
Nope, <h1> tags are html (http://www.w3schools.com/html/html_primary.asp) - you can use CSS to edit the way they look.

If ur not using them, I recommend you do, as does Chris (http://www.websitepublisher.net/article/html_seo/2) :)

Mike
01-09-2004, 03:37 PM
I must have got it mixed up with that then.

I'm using them atm anyway.

Thanks for the info:)

Cloughie
01-10-2004, 04:27 PM
I set this in my style sheet:

h1 {
font-family: Arial, Verdana, sans-serif;
font-size: 11px;
line-height: 1.4;
font-weight : normal;
}

Seems to work ok, apart from the fact its in bold. Any idea why? As you can see I tried to add in the font weight normal thing but that didn't work?

By the way I used <h1>Text</h1> as the code in the page.

Mike
01-11-2004, 05:45 AM
Are you sure its not because h1 tags just look like their bold?

Cloughie
01-11-2004, 07:12 AM
It could well be.. Perhaps thats just how h1 tags are.

MarkB
01-11-2004, 07:34 AM
I *think* browsers automatically make header tags bold... It may well be the correct HTML standard. *shrug*

Shawn
01-11-2004, 07:44 AM
My tags are not bold.

www.wirelessphonereviews.com/wireless_phones/ -- for example.

r2d2
01-11-2004, 07:50 AM
CSS will be able to control everything. Bold is just the default if you dont change it explicitly.

I have made it normal here (http://www.casinoreviewpages.com/php.php). I notice you dont have it in your CSS file now, try putting it back in, without the spaces around the colon too. (Mine works both ways, but just to be sure)

Cloughie
01-12-2004, 05:56 AM
Hmm, I think I have exactly the same as you in my style sheet. I will re-check this evening and get it working.