Fellow Entrepreneurs Wanted

[srjcstud]

I've Got an Idea!

After sifting through this site for a day or two, I got an idea. Here we have a community of people who all have the same interest and drive for web publishing. What do you guys think about going in on a website together. We could utilyze all of our strengths and put them together in an awesome site. I'm pretty sure everything can be done over the internet. We can use this forum to exchange ideas, and email files back and forth to each other. If anything, it would just be for fun, but maybe it would turn out pretty nice. Anyone who is interested please reply.

[KLB]

Ummm..... this is what we are already doing on this forum. After all the these forums are titled "Website Publisher Forums".:rolleyes:

[srjcstud]

I'm talking specifically. Is there anyone interested in going in on a site with me? Guests too, sign up, and shoot me a reply!

[s2kinteg916]

there are alot of coomplications with that...

[srjcstud]

There are alot of complications with every great idea! I'm just thinking its original and possibly lucrative. Collaboration is a good thing. Your right, though, it does complicate things. If we could figure it out, it would be pretty cool.

[srjcstud]

I'm just askin you guys to think about it. Just thinkin big, thats all! We all like makin money, and this one possible way.

[ZigE]

Most people in this forum are independent publishers, A website startup rarely requires more than one person managing it.

[KLB]

Personally I'm not keen on starting up projects with partners unless I've known the person for a long time. Like ZigE said, it is very rare for a website startup to require more than one person to manage it.

[srjcstud]

You guys love to pulverize ideas on this forum! Nice! Well maybe someday.

[KLB]

It isn't a matter of pulverizing ideas, it is about being realistic and "smart". Web publishing typically isn't a method to get rich quick. It requires a great deal of effort and partnerships add a great amount of complexity. It is almost always better to do it solo.

[srjcstud]

Your a sad little man KLB, a sad little man. You got some issues, Bro! And one heck of an ego. Momma didn't hold you long enough?

[KLB]

You can take my advice or not, it doesn't matter to me, but you will find that there aren't a lot of egos on this forum, just people who are willing to share the knowledge and experience they have accumulated. Insulting people here isn't a good way to win friends.

[srjcstud]

Your not one to lecture me on friendship, you had it out for me since my first post. Your scared of new ideas. I only responded to your comment about me being smart and realistic. That didn't seem to altruistic to me. Sounded like a very scared little man. Sorry about what i said though, i should've choosen different words. I apoligize. (sorry bout the spelling)

[KLB]

Don't be so paranoid, I don't have it out for you or anyone else (well at least not in these forums).

When I say being smart and realistic I mean that you shouldn't expect to get rich "overnight". Unless you are a scammer or spammer you aren't going to suddenly start making thousands of dollars a month (or even hundreds of dollars a month). Building a site up and building traffic to a site takes lots of time and lots of hard work.

If you think you are going to throw up some site to stake out your share of some gold rush claim you will become sorely disappointed. If, however, you stake out a homestead on the Internet and work your fields very hard they will eventually begin to bare a bountiful harvest. If you do it right, the efforts you invest in your endeavor today will still be paying you residual dividends years from now.

Also if you try to emulate someone else's business model or market niche (e.g. MySpace) you will always be in their shadow and working against their head start. You need to go your own way and do something truly new so that you aren't having to compete against well entrenched players (like MySpace).

[srjcstud]

KLB,

I get what you are saying. Listen to the song, "Vienna", by Billy Joel. Is that what you are telling me. It reminds me of you. Thanks buddy!:)

[Kyle]

I first read your thread "Taking a share of Myspace's sucess", where KLB was quick to judge you there. Originally, after reading that thread, I didn't think KLB was justified in his remarks. Also, keep in mind that I do disagree with KLB more than other dedicated members here, but overall he is an experienced webmaster who offers GREAT advice, even if sometimes it comes off opinionated or non-objective. And even it wasn't objective, who cares? No reason to cut them down for it with insults.

However, now after seeing this thread as well, srjcstud, maybe you need to hear some things from someone other than KLB. KLB's points are true, but now you have a prejudice against him...

Many people here are already partners, and trust eachother. However, most of the people in this business prefer to work solo. If there is a feature of their website they cannot accomplish, then the solo webmaster hires out temporary help just for that project.

Why is this? It is the nature of a website! You put something online, maintain it daily or weekly, come up with new ideas, but for the most part... it does NOT require "9 to 5" job dedication, but it still produces "9 to 5" earnings (or greater). What i'm saying is, a successful website will earn revenue for a very long time, even after you stop working on it. This is one of the (not the only) big reasons for why webmasters choose to work solo. Why share this revenue with a partner?

I don't even want to get in your head and figure out what makes you think coming to a new forum, where no one knows you, and believing you could rally up a bunch of busy webmasters to work together on a single project? This is obviously due to lack of experience. Please let this die, and realize you made a mistake there due to lack of experience.

I have 1 close friend who I first met "in real life", who also works for himself publishing websites. Him and I have gone over ideas in our heads, regarding a single project we could partner on. We have not found anything yet due to different interests, and already having more than enough work to do on our own. If you developed websites, you would have an understanding of what it means to have tons of potential work to do alone, but it is NOT work that you could share the load with a partner. Every webmaster can relate to this...

My friend is a great designer. I am not a great designer, so he often offers his design services to me, while I analyze his sites coming up with methods to tweak his site structure and content (SEO). This is generally the extent of partnerships.

Of course, there are exceptions. But most of the webmasters here don't have a Yahoo, IMDB, or Myspace project in the works. I think that is where you are confused. The web publishing world is all about individuals producing sites that cost little to no money to create. Of course if soemone had a unique project idea that was going to be the next Google, Amazon, or Myspace, there sure as hell wouldn't be discussing it publically in a forum OR soliciting partners with your methods.

[srjcstud]

Who let KLB log in as Kyle! Oh my God, You guys are killing me. You had me for a second. Good one guys!

[Kyle]

Who let KLB log in as Kyle! Oh my God, You guys are killing me. You had me for a second. Good one guys!

wtf...done talking to you.

Read this last article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll), it will help.

[Todd W]

wtf...done talking to you.

Read this last article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll), it will help.

:flare: I guess that's what you get for telling 100% the truth.

[KLB]

:flare: I guess that's what you get for telling 100% the truth.
No good deed goes unpunished. :p

[Kyle]

No good deed goes unpunished. :p

Time for a new avatar.

[BusinessGeek]

Well, I just wandered on to this site googling a query for "YPN" and I couldn't help but noticing srjcstud's posts. I just had to post a reply.

Simply put, in all my experience online, the Internet does not bring us closer together. As outrageous as that sounds, it only takes a wise man to realize it's the truth. And yes telling the truth does hurt some times.

In answer to some of your posts on here, srjcstud, I have no idea who Kyle is and don't know him very well, but his replies are quite to-the-point. I happen to agree that being inexperienced, especially online, can make you quite over-opportunistic. Asking others how much they make and trying to get a project going on a whim is great when you're young and filled with optimism, but sadly it doesn't cut it.

Just like in the real world, there are no handouts online that come with bright ideas. The idea simply isn't enough. Just consider Xerox as an example. They have come up with Ethernet and invented the GUI, but who ended up making all the money?

But on a positive note…If you really wanna grab other people's attention try to offer an incentive. Ask not what we can do for you, but what you can do for us? At least that way some may find a reason to actually solicit themselves to whatever it is you're offering. Otherwise, you may only be leading them into darkness as you seem clueless yourself.

[Erin]

KLB is one even-tempered dude. He's given you good advice, advice that I agree with.

Working with partners brings a whole set of new problems that you may not be aware of. You'll find that some work harder than others, some are more trustworthy than others, some are smarter than others, and so on.

If it's one of your first sites, and you don't have much startup money, I think it's best to work alone or with someone you know well.

Over the years a lot of us here have seen similar posts, and every now and then, a small group of people will get together and start something. I've seen only a couple of those sites actually work out.

Hmmm... That could be a good post topic.

[Doug]

srjcstud, do you have a website? I'd be interested to see it. Then again if I had any constructive comments about it you might hate me. KLB was just trying to give you a little help where you asked. You have to be able to take criticism in this business because lord knows you will get enough of it but that is how you improve.

I tried a partner once, he is my best friend. I ended up doing all the work and eventually buying him out for 15 bucks. Since then he has wanted to do other websites but I'm afraid I'll end up doing all the work again.

[srjcstud]

You guys make me cry! I'm Supper Serius, It hurts me! I HATE YOU!:bawling:

[Kyle]

I give you a 9/10 on the troll-a-meter.

[ZigE]

I give him a 9/10 on the age meter :/

[Billyray]

I give him 10/10 on the mullet meter :)