Your publishing aims for 2004?

[MarkB]

He means have his link in the game, and then offer the game to games sites for free (and so, in turn, he gets visitors from people clicking the link within the game).

[incka]

Like miniclip do at www.miniclip.com/Downloads.htm and also freeonlinegames.com do at www.freegamesforyourwebsite.com

There will be 2 links on the game, one to my homepage and one to the free content page.

IM me:

MSN: sean@incka.com
AIM: InckaLimited

[thebillionaire]

I have to agree with best.flash (Im better, lol) that the hardest part is not to build the game which is still pretty hard because it takes me for ever to make graphics, but to find a dedicated host which will allow enough root access to install the server, plus the server has to be connected to T3 internet if you want little lag and the only one I have seen so far is media3 but its costs alot of money. As far as the bandwidth(not the speed) you dont need alot because in .swf form is quite small the max I can think of the game would be is like 5-10mb, mainly because of music. The biggest game I have ever made was the first game I made which was like 200kb lol, 100kb was the music. I have an idea which sure to make me big money the only problem is that I dont know how to accept the payment from the people and then add them to the members data base, I can do it manually but it could take a long time depending on how many people pay.

P.S accounts such as 2checkout charge the credit card right, so when you buy something do you leave any identification like the name or something?

[MarkB]

You could use a sign-up script that then takes the user to a payment processor, and then have a return URL using the buyer's username to add to your DB that they're a paying member.

[incka]

No one is going to pay for a game before they are addicted to it.

[Best.Flash]

Does that go for publishers as well? - sent you an email.

[Best.Flash]

I dont know how to accept the payment from the people and then add them to the members data base, I can do it manually but it could take a long time depending on how many people pay.

Adding to MarkB's suggestion you may want to consider limiting access via IP address. Similar to the way ShockPlay (http://www.shockplay.com/WWW3/index.asp) do it - you can login as guest for 20 min's or so and can't access the games again for a few hours on that IP.

Another option could be to password protect the folder where the full/members versions of your games are located with .htaccess and use an application similar to Account manager pro (http://www.siteinteractive.com/acctman/) which automates the whole process - once they pass the payment page it will add the users login details (username, password - and checks for duplicates), emails them their login details, deletes accounts if more that x amount if IP address accesses via that account over a short period - if the user gives out their login details to friends for example etc.

[thebillionaire]

Account manager pro which automates the whole process - once they pass the payment page it will add the users login details (username, password - and checks for duplicates), emails them their login details.

:D This maybe the answer to my problems, but what does it use to accept payment, I want to use something like worldpay, or 2checkout for my payment can I do that? :confused:

[Best.Flash]

but what does it use to accept payment, I want to use something like worldpay, or 2checkout for my payment can I do that?

Yeah, have setup a client who uses Worldpay with Account manager pro, works great.

I Don't know about 2checkout but WP and Barclays ePDQ offer a confirmation page (once a transation has successfully been processed) hosted on their site you can customise by adding the Account manager pro new members form.

cheers,

Charlie

[thebillionaire]

Thats an amazing tool, though I had a question I was wondering you could answer, first of all when they are confermed members can they be added to my own directory; the members for the game. Antoher thing is that which is better WP or Barclays, what is worlpays setup fee?

[Best.Flash]

first of all when they are confermed members can they be added to my own directory

Do you mean once someone fills in the new members form will they gain instant access to your site?

They both offer a very similar service, personally I prefer Barclays.

Pricing info:
http://www.epdq.co.uk/epdq_frameset.htm

http://www.worldpay.co.uk/sme/index.php?go=sme_datasheets

[thebillionaire]

yea something like that once there confermed member they are added to a directory like a mysql directory.

[Best.Flash]

With the Barclays service you can Post secure information back to your server after the transaction (like name, email ect.) and populate SQL for example.

The WP method i used for a clients site was fairly basic and about 4 years ago so I dont know if they offer that.

Here's the ePDQ user manual, if you scroll down to the bottom you'll see some code examples of how to intergrate their service into your site:

http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:AWbgwmc5jowJ:www.tele-pro.co.uk/epdq/cpi/4.4_CPI_Mandatory_v1.3.doc+epdq+php_response_examp le.php&hl=en&start=1&lr=lang_en

[MarkB]

Offer members a day's free access if they sit and watch a flash-based ad (which you can offer to advertisers and, natch, design for them for a fee;)). Salon do this - I'm happy to go through the process for a day's access to their articles.

[thebillionaire]

I cant view it, and whats the Barclays site and does acount manager allow them.

[Mike]

Best.flash, can you send me an email with some information on your games etc? I can be contacted through my profile, thanks :)

[Best.Flash]

All the info you should need is in this document (may need Office 2000 to open):

http://www.tele-pro.co.uk/epdq/cpi/4.4_CPI_Mandatory_v1.3.doc

[thebillionaire]

that link doesnt work

[thebillionaire]

With the Barclays service you can Post secure information back to your server after the transaction (like name, email ect.) and populate SQL for example.

The WP method i used for a clients site was fairly basic and about 4 years ago so I dont know if they offer that.

Here's the ePDQ user manual, if you scroll down to the bottom you'll see some code examples of how to intergrate their service into your site:

http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:AWbgwmc5jowJ:www.tele-pro.co.uk/epdq/cpi/4.4_CPI_Mandatory_v1.3.doc+epdq+php_response_examp le.php&hl=en&start=1&lr=lang_en

with barclays is it automated?

[Mike]

link doeesn't work b.f :)

[Best.Flash]

Opps, try this one.

www.disc7.com/4.4_CPI_Mandatory_v1.3.doc

[thebillionaire]

this seems to be a uk company its charging euro's

[thebillionaire]

Nevermind I got it all figured out I will put the members page into the directory of the manager, so when people want to sign in a message for username will appear, once logged in I will have the members game. Though I still have one questions all the people that sign up will be in my mysql directory, but I was wondering that if I had two servers can they both read the same mysql database, even if the mysql is on another computer. So server 1 has the mysql, can I get server 2 to the mysql account in server 1?

[moonshield]

hey im new here and to the market. I would like to make about a hundred a week.

[r2d2]

So would I :) Read around this forum and Im sure you will be there soon!

[Doug]

Im shootin for a hundred a month by years end. Then hopefully it will continually increase.

[r2d2]

Sounds like a good aim for me too. I just have to fit in web development around a full-time job, studying for a Masters part time and spending most weekends visiting the girlfriend at uni :)

[Blue Cat Buxton]

I reckon I will hit 100 a month from September. Now aim to double this monthly by the end of the year

What is your Masters in r2d2?

[r2d2]

Digital Signal and Image Processing - cant wait, it looks excellent.

I also need to fit in sorting out any suckers who do bad stuff, and making sure the kids get their milk ;) :rolleyes:

And Im having crazy ideas about writing forum software - fuelled heavily by the greeness of the PR9 at the top of phpBB.com.

[incka]

They don't pass PR though.

phpBB is not actually that good, I feel you could make one better with just a few months of work...

[Blue Cat Buxton]

Digital Signal and Image Processing

Sounds Techinical (but fun)!


crazy ideas about writing forum software

Crazy indeed :eek: - theres quite a bit of competition out there though

[Mike]

And Im having crazy ideas about writing forum software - fuelled heavily by the greeness of the PR9 at the top of phpBB.com.

Yeh, so am I. Haven't got time at the moment, but maybe at the start of next year I'll have a go.

[mobilebadboy]

phpBB is not actually that good, I feel you could make one better with just a few months of work...

I love blanket statements with nothing to go along with them. I'll wait in anticipation for you to code a message board equal to what they have out now, and what will be released in the upcoming months. Since their's isn't that good, you can obviously do it better. :rolleyes:

[r2d2]

A few months full time at a push! I was thinking a year minimum.

Its all the little features, like polls, reputation, PM etc that would add up, and stuff like coding for loads of different database types etc. Would also want to think about an 'upgrade' capability, so phpBB, vBulletin users could easily change over to mine.

I know phpBB dont pass PR, but I wasnt planning on selling PR... jus giving all my homepages PR8 or 9 :)

[chromate]

Incka, for an individual project, to get anywhere near the standard of phpBB it would take at least a year :) Writing the code may not be that hard but I think you're neglecting the rest of the development cycle which often takes up far more time. Or at least, it should do if you're doing things right. But that's a whole new thread ;)

r2d2, I think you should go for it! You don't need to re-invent the wheel. But I actually think there's room for an innovative BB system. VB and phpBB have almost got too big to bend and be flexible, if you see what I mean. They would need to be reverse engineered to make any substantial changes I would think. I've often thought about how some sort of distributed BB system could work, where you would have disparate BB software packages communicating via web services or something. Never really thought it through though.

[intelliot]

New forum software? Not a bad idea. I had thought of trying it myself but decided against it considering the other stuff out there (Invision Board, miniBB) There could be room for another if you have some advantage. Even just being different is an advantage. Don't forget security - if you expect use to be widespread be careful to make it secure. Keep me updated.

[r2d2]

No need for reverse engineering as such, as you can see all the code quite easily. 'Intelligent' BB software would be interesting idea though.

Yeah I think to get off the ground I would need a 'killer app' kind of thing, something that makes people look up and say, 'Hey, I want that forum!', something the other software doesnt have.

[Mike]

I think the only thing that attracts me to phpBB is its template. For some reason I like it a lot more than IPB. I think the features are very similar?

[incka]

Forum arcade
Custom user text
SEO friendly pages
Attachments

Those are not in PHPBB but are in the expensive vBullitin. Make a free one with those in...

[r2d2]

Good points, thanks for those, will have to take a look what the first two mean though. Still not definitely doing it yet. I can see it would obviously take a [i]long[/i[, and wonder whether that time could be invested more profitably building simple sites. But building a forum would be more enjoyable for me.

Edit: Jus been looking at the vB feature list, its quite scary :) Even getting close to that would be 'challenging'. I could see it being a month of planning easily, and things like writing software documentation isnt much fun.

Off on holiday for two weeks on saturday though, will have plenty of time to think about it :)

[chromate]

Forum arcade
Custom user text
SEO friendly pages
Attachments

Those are not in PHPBB but are in the expensive vBullitin. Make a free one with those in...

I'm not sure what you mean by "forum arcade" but the others are available as add-ons for phpBB.

I think, to be successful, the very basis of the new BB software would need to really be something totally different so it really stands out. I like the integration side of things. It would be nice to make it accessible to mobile handsets etc.

Maybe we should set up a development team :) lol

[Jaffro]

just seo friendly would be a fairly high selling point. if you could provide the main basic features and be seo friendly it'd be great.

intresting ideas. open it up for 3rd party 'plugins' would be cool, dunno if you can do that already with other bb software.

[incka]

Forum Arcade is where members play flash games, and the high scores get recorded, and they compete. Quite a few forums have it, it's a VB addon. I think DNForum.com has it on.

[r2d2]

Could be interesting :)

Am planning on coding it with ability to have addons such as these. SEO friendly goes without saying.

Will be an excellent project to hone my coding skills.

[incka]

To set up the music video site and several others including an ecommerse site. To make by the end of the year £1k per month.


Well I made an ecommerce site, but that didn't work well. I've been making £1k a month for ages, and I have no intention of making a music video site any time soon.

I best start planning my goals for 2005, maybe $1000 a day?

[chromate]

I hope to churn out a few more sites and make at least $1.5k a month. Basically, I wanna make enough to be able to live off my sites :) I'm gonna try and break into the affiliate side of things as my sites are all AdSense only, at the moment...

I hit my goals too. I've been making over $1.5k a month for some time now. I have some affiliate stuff up and running too which is working out well.

I'm not going to be able to get an ecommerce store running in time to take advantage of Christmas spending though.

Plans for next year? Too early to tell :)

[thebillionaire]

My plans changed from what I wrote before.