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Chris
09-20-2005, 09:25 AM
Yahoo recently launched, in beta anyways, their answer to Google's Adsense program. Its called Yahoo Publisher Network and it functions in much the same way as Google's Adsense with only few differences.

These programs work by analyzing your content and then checking their library of hundreds of thousands (dare I say millions?) of ads for ones that closely match contextually. In both cases you can give them little hints to help them in their quest. Yahoo has a feature called Ad Targetting which basically allows you to categorize your sites, and Google has a non-public feature called Google Hints (http://www.websitepublisher.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2780) which you're only supposed to use with permission but which allows you to feed keywords directly to the Adsense code. For more on the technology in general please see the Google Adsense Review (http://www.websitepublisher.net/article/adsense-review/).

I tested Yahoo Publisher Network (YPN) on a site that normally runs 3 Adsense units per page, a top leaderboard, a rectangle within the content, and a bottom leaderboard. I did this test by siphoning off 10% of the page views and sending them to YPN instead of Adsense. I should note that you cannot serve a YPN ad on the same page as an Adsense ad as that is againt network terms. So if you run more than one ad per page you cannot simply setup YPN as a default for Adsense or vice versa as not all units will default on the same page views. To run both you must devise a system that sets all units on the page to one network or another. I used a random number and a conditional statement, but there are many ways to do this.

The most noticeable thing with Yahoo was the targeting, it was atrocious. The ads were just barely related to my content, or not at all. It even got worse when I used their Ad Targetting categorization feature. As you can expect with poorly targeted ads, my CTR (click-through-rate) did not even compare with Adsense. However eCPM (effective CPM, the earnings per 1000 page views on average) was near what I made with Adsense. This is because Yahoo's earnings per click were incredibly high. This is likely because Yahoo does not as of yet allow advertisers to specify different payout rates for network sites as Google does. With Google an advertiser can pay one rate for ads that show on search results and another, usually much lower rate, for ads that show on websites. Yahoo also has a higher minimum CPC (cost-per-click).

Overall the top leaderboard did slightly worse with Yahoo and had a really bad CTR. The content-sandwiched rectangle did quite well with an eCPM as high as 4x greater than what I got with adsense. The bottom leaderboard did almost nothing. Yahoo does not currently have CPM ads, Google does, and these CPM ads can really bring up the pay rate of the below the scroll units, so that is likely why Yahoo did not provide good income for my bottom leaderboard. The revenue for the top leaderboard was likely slower simply as a result of the lower CTR, but it was only slightly lower because of the higher earnings per click.

The rectangle is the really interesting unit. Rectangles historically have the higher CTR, so by coupling a unit that got a high CTR with Yahoo's high paying yet somewhat untargeted ads I managed to still make a good amount, much more than I was making with Google.

Overall I think I'll stick with Adsense on my test site, the gains in the box unit did not outweigh the losses in the other two, but I could definitely see Yahoo being better on some sites with perhaps only a box unit in use. Also, if Yahoo improves their targeting without lowering their payouts then it'll be an easy decision to switch.

Yahoo's reports are updated daily, which lags behinds Adsense's almost real-time reporting. Yahoo does however allow up to 4 units per page, compared to Adsense's 3. Yahoo does not offer an equivalent to Google's Adlinks units yet though. For payment Yahoo's terms are net 45, meaning 45 days after the close of the month you get paid, this certainly lags behind Google.

Other than the issues already mentioned the programs are about identical. Both allow you to change ad unit colors, both allow you to block domains you do not want advertising on your site, both do not allow adult/illegal content, both have a minimum payment of $100.

Yahoo's program is still in beta, so we can hope eventually that they improve their targeting, until then its definitely worth a try for most webmasters, you just might make more than you do with Google. Competition is always good though, and if Google and Yahoo end up competing for our pageviews then we'll be the true winners, so even if you don't end up using Yahoo their presence in the market is definitely a good thing.

Click here (http://www.websitepublisher.net/scripts/out.php?LinkID=108) to visit Yahoo Publisher Network.

Review originally published here:
http://www.websitepublisher.net/article/yahoo-publisher-network/

MarkB
09-20-2005, 09:53 AM
Thanks for the review, Chris. Certainly shows up the shortfalls of Yahoo's program.

Chris
09-20-2005, 09:59 AM
Consequently if you want to see it in action I'm still running the test on my literature site. Just refresh a bunch, one in 10 views should be Yahoo ads.

Mike
09-20-2005, 10:16 AM
Very similar ads to Google, didn't think they'd go for that.

r2d2
09-20-2005, 01:45 PM
Nice thorough review. Looks like it should be worth using if they can improve their targeting (how difficult can it be??).

chromate
09-20-2005, 05:00 PM
Doesn't yahoo still allow pharmacy ads? Perhaps you should give it a shot on your drug database Chris.

It looks very promising. Okay, so the targetting is not that great. But it's in beta to iron out these problems after all. I'm almost certain it will perform better for me on my diet sites, as Google is still paying so low. With the number of clicks I get these days, based on what the ads used to generate per click, I'm probably losing out on a good $70 - $100 per day. Can't wait to give yahoo a shot. As soon as they open it to international publishers - I'm there!

Chris
09-20-2005, 09:45 PM
Ya I planned on giving it a run on my drug site.

Chris
09-21-2005, 08:21 AM
Another thing I did not mention was that I found the fill rate to be a little low. I'm sending 10% of my page views right? But Yahoo doesn't seem to quite be filling 10%.

ASP-Hosting.ca
09-21-2005, 09:05 AM
Another thing I did not mention was that I found the fill rate to be a little low. I'm sending 10% of my page views right? But Yahoo doesn't seem to quite be filling 10%.

How would you know what is their fill rate? Are you just comparing your server stats to the number of impressions Yahoo reported?

Chris
09-21-2005, 09:16 AM
I'm just comparing it to what Google is filling. If Google is getting 90% of the pageviews and Yahoo 10% then I should serve 9 google ads for every 1 yahoo. Instead its like 10 or 11 Google ads per 1 yahoo.

MarkB
09-21-2005, 09:59 AM
Are they still on your Lit site, Chris? I just went through about 30+ pages, and saw nothing but Goooooooogle.

Chris
09-21-2005, 10:11 AM
They are. Maybe Yahoo isn't serving them to you because you're in the UK.

r2d2
09-21-2005, 11:49 AM
I looked the other day, and got ones that werent labeled Gooooogle - couldnt see any Yahoo label, but they didnt look like normal Adsense ads.

Edit: Hmm, just tried again, and got nothing but Goooooooogle.


Maybe Yahoo isn't serving them to you because you're in the UK.

If they actually didnt serve ads to UK folks, what would show instead? As you say in your review, you shouldnt default one to the other, so I guess Google ads wouldnt show?

Chris
09-21-2005, 12:07 PM
It should be blank I'd guess.

Chris
09-29-2005, 07:03 AM
I've been running a test on my drug site and its been bad. I sometimes go a day without a click. Targetting still sucks.

davesplace1
09-29-2005, 08:43 PM
Glad to see you testing, I think I will wait a little while until everybody here starts raving about Yahoo Publisher Nettwork and then try it out :). Good to see AdSense with some competition

intelliot
10-05-2005, 05:45 PM
I looked the other day, and got ones that werent labeled Gooooogle - couldnt see any Yahoo label, but they didnt look like normal Adsense ads.
One thing I've noticed is that, with certain color combinations, the "Ads by Yahoo!" text is nearly impossible to see (example (http://invisionplus.net/)). This can make it look like the text ads are unlabeled.

James
10-05-2005, 11:46 PM
Elliot: not seen you 'round here for a while!

Wow, that's interesting. Wonder what Yahoo!'s thoughts on sites doing that are--I know that Google's code needs manual T&C-breaking editing to get the color that close to the background, in most cases.

michael_gersitz
02-21-2006, 10:18 PM
Once accepted, can you put the code on any of your websites?

tommy_boy
02-22-2006, 08:47 AM
I have used it on multiple sites with no problem. The targeting and rotation is terrible however.

michael_gersitz
12-16-2006, 03:26 PM
Can any put any updated feedback together? What they think of the program now?