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incka
10-06-2004, 02:59 PM
Nick from SitePointIRC.com said it is starting to update.

michael_gersitz
10-06-2004, 03:04 PM
Yes, I just saw it updating in my toolbar.

moonshield
10-06-2004, 03:08 PM
when was the last time pagerank was updated?

Chris
10-06-2004, 03:10 PM
Yup, my new template site finally got PR (7).

AndyH
10-06-2004, 03:18 PM
Seeing some PR increases, no decreases so that is good. :)

michael_gersitz
10-06-2004, 03:21 PM
No decreases for me yet either.

(Really hope frynetwork gets PR6 or 7)

Emancipator
10-06-2004, 04:13 PM
no decrease or increase for me yet.. will wait and see :)

Emancipator
10-06-2004, 04:13 PM
whoops.. take that back, as we speak i have no pagerank.. something tells me an update is indeed in process :)

michael_gersitz
10-06-2004, 04:17 PM
Thank Mr. Grossman for this one, http://www.seochat.com/seo-tools/future-pagerank

James
10-06-2004, 05:20 PM
Yup, my new template site finally got PR (7).
If that's from 0 then I'm going to hate your guts for about 3 and a half seconds ;)

Sadly, I dropped 1 PR from PR5. Now I'm with the weak little midgets at PR4...

Westech
10-06-2004, 05:55 PM
Ack! My 5 dropped to a 4, even though I have more links now. Stupid PR yo-yo!

LuckyShima
10-06-2004, 06:04 PM
This really sucks. I have been waiting about four months for a PR update to get some PR to some links pages so I can market them for link exchanges. On one site I have two separate PR5s linking to each of the links pages, and one of the links pages is ranked 17 on google for "<topic> links", but there has been no PR update for these link pages and they remain at 0.

Was the PR update only for the index page? Or did it only update pages with external links? As I said in another thread, this abitrary PR update approach really penalises some sites (and therefore benefits others).

Chris
10-06-2004, 08:26 PM
All pages on my template site got PR for the first time.

incka
10-06-2004, 10:52 PM
A few increases and a few new sites with PR.

How did you get that PR7 Chris? Buying links on high PR webmaster sites?


And I've got a PR6 for the first time :D

Mike
10-07-2004, 12:32 AM
What site is that Sean?

No changes for me I'm afraid, but it looks like your idea on the quartly updates is correct Chris.

Blue Cat Buxton
10-07-2004, 02:06 AM
Was the PR update only for the index page? Or did it only update pages with external links? As I said in another thread, this abitrary PR update approach really penalises some sites (and therefore benefits others).

Adventure Vacations (http://www.wideopenspaces.co.uk) has new PR on subpages. :)

Main page no chage thogugh :(

The cut off date for PR to new pages seems to be some weeks ago though

Dan Morgan
10-07-2004, 02:15 AM
Nothing sinister to report...

Dan
10-07-2004, 05:47 AM
How long will it take till all the PR is updated?

I've seen some good changes so far lots of my PR0's are not PR3's

MarkB
10-07-2004, 05:51 AM
Woot! My main page went from 5 to 6, just as I'd hoped :)

Blimey, and 2 sites I started only 2 months or so ago are PR 6, too.

My other sites are mostly 5s with a few 4s.

GREAT update! :D I'm really, really pleased.

Percept
10-07-2004, 05:56 AM
Homepage didn't change, a new site went from 0 to 5.

chromate
10-07-2004, 07:12 AM
Nothing that great for me. In fact, a few sites dropped from 6 to 5.

MarkB
10-07-2004, 07:36 AM
(edit).....(edit)

nohaber
10-07-2004, 09:15 AM
My seo site got a PR4 simply from 2 articles on other sites.

r2d2
10-07-2004, 09:32 AM
No changes for me I dont think.. Anyone know a reliable PR checking site? Im at uni, and cant install the toolbar.

incka
10-07-2004, 09:59 AM
House shop 2
House buying 4
Casino 5
Sublime 4
Plasma 0

Westech
10-07-2004, 10:06 AM
No changes for me I dont think.. Anyone know a reliable PR checking site? Im at uni, and cant install the toolbar.

digitalpoint.com's backlink tracking tool shows PR for each site.

Emancipator
10-07-2004, 10:20 AM
no changes for me.

Dan Morgan
10-07-2004, 10:44 AM
digitalpoint.com's backlink tracking tool shows PR for each site.

It doesn't appear to have updated though (meaning Googles API hasn't).

The data at pagerank.net has though.

r2d2
10-07-2004, 10:51 AM
Thanks Incka,

pagerank.net was the one I was trying to think of though. No changes for me anywhere it seems :(

chromate
10-07-2004, 11:00 AM
Look on the bright side! You could have dropped ;)

incka
10-07-2004, 12:10 PM
Yeah, your site really have taken a beating...

r2d2
10-07-2004, 12:47 PM
I guess so :) I was just expecting house shop and plasma one to get some...

Oh well, only 3 months till the next one ;)

Not that fussed about it now though, when I was first developing, near the start of the year, PR was everything :D:D

incka
10-07-2004, 01:02 PM
I was talking to chromate in last post by the way...

PR isn't worth too much to me. I'm more of an affiliate marketter than a website publisher reliant on search engines.

r2d2
10-07-2004, 01:29 PM
PR is still worth something, just as long as the actual PR is regularly updated. What the toolbar says doesnt matter too much, except for link exchanges.

chromate
10-07-2004, 01:37 PM
I'm not too bothered. As r2d2 says, it's not that important. It's the SERPs positions that matter, and I still have them (touch wood! :)) I think I know why my dating site went down anyway. It was a case of linking back to index.php instead of the domain name so the PR was getting split between the two in a few places. I would imagine they're all very close to a 6 still anyway as nothing else has really changed.

Emancipator
10-07-2004, 01:47 PM
my pages just updated, went from 0 to pr5. But I am not overly excited about it. 50% of my traffic is direct request, and as chromate points out, its the serps that count, and backlinks rule the PR game in my opinion and experience.

incka
10-07-2004, 01:53 PM
Chris, why did 4webtemplates.net get pr7? I looked at all backlinks and they are all from Jalic.com, here and sitepoint.

michael_gersitz
10-07-2004, 02:14 PM
I used to have a PR 6 site, but my sites seem to have stayed at PR5 for a long time.

r2d2
10-07-2004, 02:24 PM
..and backlinks rule the PR game in my opinion and experience.

Very true :)

Emancipator
10-07-2004, 03:25 PM
glad to see im not alone in my methods R2D2 :) Although a year ago I would have siad something totally different, isnt seo fun? lol

Chris
10-07-2004, 06:02 PM
Chris, why did 4webtemplates.net get pr7? I looked at all backlinks and they are all from Jalic.com, here and sitepoint.
Jalic is 7, its enough.

Dan Morgan
10-08-2004, 01:45 AM
Slightly OT, but if you had a PR3 site, and linked to it from what was a PR6 (which has gone down to 5 now, but I digress) site where that link was the only link on the page - would you expect the PR 3 site to increase to at least a 4?

Dan
10-08-2004, 02:16 AM
Has the updating finished or are people still seeing changes?

MarkB
10-08-2004, 04:15 AM
Slightly OT, but if you had a PR3 site, and linked to it from what was a PR6 (which has gone down to 5 now, but I digress) site where that link was the only link on the page - would you expect the PR 3 site to increase to at least a 4?
Depends on how much of the PR 6 (5) was passed via the link, I guess...

Emancipator
10-08-2004, 04:45 AM
I hurt myself this last update by passing to much of my PR to my link partners, but my subpages all climbed, so i am content. And Dan i seem to be done updating now.

Dan
10-08-2004, 05:28 AM
Thanks for that Emancipator :)

I hope its still updating though, finders crossed :(

Chris
10-08-2004, 05:45 AM
Slightly OT, but if you had a PR3 site, and linked to it from what was a PR6 (which has gone down to 5 now, but I digress) site where that link was the only link on the page - would you expect the PR 3 site to increase to at least a 4?
Considering you probably have a high 5 you could give the page you're linking to a 5 as well.

r2d2
10-08-2004, 06:02 AM
Assuming that it was the only link, absolutely no other internal or external links on the page, then yes pretty definitely will be a 5 if the linker is a high 5.

PRr = 0.15 + 0.85(PRg / links)

'links' will be 1, PR will be high enough to make the 0.15 insignificant, so

PRr = 0.85 x PRg

Remembering PR is logarithmic, by my calculations, even a low PR5 would give it a PR5.

log(0.85 x 5^5.2, 5) = 5.1

I.e. a PR5.2 with one link would give you a PR5.1

MarkB
10-08-2004, 06:39 AM
*blink*

So, each point of PR a page has, it passes on 0.15 of that to the outgoing links, or 0.85? (Which is then divided by the number of links...?)

Oh my head.

Emancipator
10-08-2004, 07:00 AM
lol... as somebody who spends way to much time crunching numbers and playing with SEO i feel your pain Mark. but you know when you set the science aside and just worry about what your viewers want and not the page rank you end up getting thousands of backlinks and your page rank ends up meaning two things

jack squat


:P my 2cents.

Dan Morgan
10-08-2004, 07:04 AM
Thanks for all the responses, which all point to the PR3 becoming a 5.

However, unless we are still waiting for the update to finish, the PR3 is still a PR3. The link has been in place for a good 8 weeks at least.

Thanks

Dan

chromate
10-08-2004, 07:57 AM
*blink*

So, each point of PR a page has, it passes on 0.15 of that to the outgoing links, or 0.85? (Which is then divided by the number of links...?)

Oh my head.

Don't worry too much about the 0.15 as most of the time it's pretty insignificant, as pointed out in the example r2d2 gave. It's easiest to just think of the 0.15 as a little add-on for balance when the page rank gets really low. It means every page will at least have a small amount of PR.

The most important bit is, PR divided by the number of links. The result of this is then brought down a little, which is where the 0.85 comes in (the dampening factor).

Chris
10-08-2004, 08:05 AM
Thanks for all the responses, which all point to the PR3 becoming a 5.

However, unless we are still waiting for the update to finish, the PR3 is still a PR3. The link has been in place for a good 8 weeks at least.

Thanks

Dan
Give it time. We don't know much but we do know that Google generates PR long before it actually updates the toolbar so your 8 week estimate may not be quite so long.

incka
10-08-2004, 08:12 AM
Jalic is 7, its enough.


I don't like to argue with you, but http://www.savvyshopping.net/coupons/dell has all the links 4webtemplates.net has yet is only PR6...

Dan Morgan
10-08-2004, 08:14 AM
Give it time. We don't know much but we do know that Google generates PR long before it actually updates the toolbar so your 8 week estimate may not be quite so long.

Yeah fair point. Traffic coming from the PR5/6 due to searches on keywords appearing in backlink anchor text to it has been immense, which means click throughs to the PR3 have been high, which is the main point of it all (relevant traffic I mean, the PR6 site used to be from the same industry), so I am not worried.

Thanks again,

Dan

Chris
10-08-2004, 08:18 AM
I don't like to argue with you, but http://www.savvyshopping.net/coupons/dell has all the links 4webtemplates.net has yet is only PR6...
Yes. But it doesn't have the same secondary effect.

See. 4 Web Templates Home links to subpages, which then link back to home. The only PR lost is through the dampening factor and the DF is limited because there are so few pages/internal links. Every link = a little more DF loss.


Now the coupon site. There are more links, more pages (thousands with all the AWS stuff) and it links out in places (namely jalic.com at the bottom but I'll soon add more).

Actually I should link back to jalic.com on the template site too, and that may drop it to a 6.

incka
10-08-2004, 08:43 AM
Of course, I should have realised.

You need to add more template sites to that one, I suggested adding TemplateFreak.com ages ago but you never did.

Chris
10-08-2004, 09:31 AM
Yes, its still in the queue, all the submitted sites are.

Eventually I plan to make it a paid submission site. Sites with affiliate programs can get in free, others would have to pay, and if you paid I'd give you a normal text link instead of linking out with a form.

incka
10-08-2004, 10:05 AM
Seems a good idea to me, although it needs more content and therefore more sites to review... The queue is automatic using cron jobs or?

Chris
10-08-2004, 03:26 PM
The queue is just the moderation queue. I have to approve (and edit) all submissions, get a screenshot, etc. I just haven't bothered with it.

ozgression
10-08-2004, 06:09 PM
Does anyone really see a correlation between pagerank and search engine rankings, anyway?

I mean, I understand that PR is a factor in search engine rankings (and has the benefit of finding better/easier link exchanges), but does anybody actually see a difference in their rankings when PR goes up or down?

Personally, I don't. I focus much more on anchor text and "themes".
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Chris
10-08-2004, 06:52 PM
Well now adays Google has taken PR into account long before we see it.

ozgression
10-08-2004, 07:09 PM
True, but even then I do not see PR as a major factor affecting rankings.

I mean, if you get a few PR7 links heading towards you, then you can assume that your PR will rise (well before it shows on the toolbar), but getting extra PR doesn't seem to affect rankings much, if at all. I find quantity and themes of incoming links have a greater effect on my rankings (in my experience).

eg. Assuming all other factors the same (# of outgoing links on the page, their SE rankings etc.) I would rather receive five PR4 incoming links with anchor text, than one PR7 link with anchor text.

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Chris
10-09-2004, 06:22 AM
I see PR more as an indicator than anything else.

It indicates the uppermost weight of the good anchor text links you can have etc. Most pages do not live up to their fullest potential in that regard though.

moonshield
10-09-2004, 12:34 PM
does pagerank have anything to do with keywords?

Mike
10-09-2004, 01:14 PM
No, just incoming and outgoing links.

Billyray
10-09-2004, 09:45 PM
Anyone got any input into how a site like www.contextualadvertising.co.uk gets a PR7 with very little links?

Shawn
10-09-2004, 10:11 PM
The sites that are linking to Contextual Advertising have high PR.

incka
10-10-2004, 01:15 AM
The only backlink I see is to a PR5 page of that site which has no backlinks itself...

michael_gersitz
10-10-2004, 06:03 AM
I see the same thing. Perhaps they just have hundreds of thoasands of links that are PR1?

chromate
10-10-2004, 09:27 AM
I doubt you could put it down to PR3 or below links. Remember that the backlink and toolbar PR updates aren't likely to be in complete synchronisation. I would say that that's the most likely explanation.

However, there could be a backlink to one of the sub-pages that carries a high PR. I can't be bothered to check. But then you would expect that to show up on the backlinks to the domain. Again, most likely just out of synch. I expect it will be clear what's going on after the next update (backlinks or toolbar PR).

Percept
10-16-2004, 04:59 AM
I see the same thing. Perhaps they just have hundreds of thoasands of links that are PR1?

They've got 65 backlinks according to Yahoo -> http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=link%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.contextualadverti sing.co.uk%2F&ei=UTF-8&fr=fp-pull-web-t&fl=0&x=wrt