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		<title>By: Bryan</title>
		<link>http://www.websitepublisher.net/blog/2012/10/12/hit-by-google-panda-update/#comment-56448</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bryan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Nov 2013 23:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Chris,

Been a while since I visited but I took a look at your sites.  Panda is a pain for sure and there is probably more than one update in play.

You&#039;ve offered me tons of great advice over the years so I&#039;ll offer a few of my suggestions (in case you want them):

1) Add authorship.  This plays into trust with Google (which your Shakespeare competition is using) but really plays into the user metrics with Panda.  That image gets a much higher CTR than a SERP w/o one and it is huge.  If you have authorship and can keep users from clicking back to the SERP with engaging content and teasers to keep navigating you&#039;ll fix most of your issues.

2) Kinda mentioned it before but the users metrics are big.  Related content, images, direct response copy, paginated articles and anything else that can lower bounce rate, keep users clicking and keep time on site means a lot.

3) Code.  Everything is trending towards mobile browsing and I&#039;m convinced G has a trust/weight for updated code.  Responsive web design for mobile seems to help from my experience.

4) Freshness and markup.  Google wants info so I give it as much as I can with any relevant schema or rich snippet markup that doesn&#039;t come off as spammy.  I especially pay attention to the schema &quot;dateModified&quot; item prop which G also seems to care about.  Enough that I&#039;m considering a scheduled DateModified chron update plugin to test it.  I&#039;d bet two identical old sites with one updating just a dateModified tag and nothing else would have totally different rankings.

Hit me up if you want to discuss more.  I&#039;ve spent literally over a thousand hours on this stuff and have recovered anything that has been hit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Chris,</p>
<p>Been a while since I visited but I took a look at your sites.  Panda is a pain for sure and there is probably more than one update in play.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve offered me tons of great advice over the years so I&#8217;ll offer a few of my suggestions (in case you want them):</p>
<p>1) Add authorship.  This plays into trust with Google (which your Shakespeare competition is using) but really plays into the user metrics with Panda.  That image gets a much higher CTR than a SERP w/o one and it is huge.  If you have authorship and can keep users from clicking back to the SERP with engaging content and teasers to keep navigating you&#8217;ll fix most of your issues.</p>
<p>2) Kinda mentioned it before but the users metrics are big.  Related content, images, direct response copy, paginated articles and anything else that can lower bounce rate, keep users clicking and keep time on site means a lot.</p>
<p>3) Code.  Everything is trending towards mobile browsing and I&#8217;m convinced G has a trust/weight for updated code.  Responsive web design for mobile seems to help from my experience.</p>
<p>4) Freshness and markup.  Google wants info so I give it as much as I can with any relevant schema or rich snippet markup that doesn&#8217;t come off as spammy.  I especially pay attention to the schema &#8220;dateModified&#8221; item prop which G also seems to care about.  Enough that I&#8217;m considering a scheduled DateModified chron update plugin to test it.  I&#8217;d bet two identical old sites with one updating just a dateModified tag and nothing else would have totally different rankings.</p>
<p>Hit me up if you want to discuss more.  I&#8217;ve spent literally over a thousand hours on this stuff and have recovered anything that has been hit.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.websitepublisher.net/blog/2012/10/12/hit-by-google-panda-update/#comment-55219</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 02:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sigh.  Some of my sites got hit by the EMD update.  The primary keywords for these white-hat sites didn&#039;t rank down but completely disappeared from the SERPs.  Two things they all have in common is that the whole primary keyword is in their domain names and they have ads above the fold.  If Google penalized me for this combination then it is stupid since they have suggested users to put an ad above the fold even to this day.

I am at the whims of Google.  I have been doing this for four years yet I can&#039;t shake this feeling that one day the revenue will be gone, whether it&#039;s from the result of a major algorithm change or Google taking away my adsense account for a stupid reason.  I seriously got to reevaluate my long term career paths and figure out where to put my time in.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sigh.  Some of my sites got hit by the EMD update.  The primary keywords for these white-hat sites didn&#8217;t rank down but completely disappeared from the SERPs.  Two things they all have in common is that the whole primary keyword is in their domain names and they have ads above the fold.  If Google penalized me for this combination then it is stupid since they have suggested users to put an ad above the fold even to this day.</p>
<p>I am at the whims of Google.  I have been doing this for four years yet I can&#8217;t shake this feeling that one day the revenue will be gone, whether it&#8217;s from the result of a major algorithm change or Google taking away my adsense account for a stupid reason.  I seriously got to reevaluate my long term career paths and figure out where to put my time in.</p>
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		<title>By: don</title>
		<link>http://www.websitepublisher.net/blog/2012/10/12/hit-by-google-panda-update/#comment-55191</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[don]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 21:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Welcome to Panda Hell. You&#039;re lucky you missed the first few years, but everyone one is going to get hit eventually so welcome aboard! Well, except for the big brands.
So, you need to read up on Panda, Webmasterworld might be a good place to start
.
#1 Panda has nothing to do with Content Farms
#2 Google is unable/unwilling to tell who wrote the original content and who stole it so get working on the DMCA&#039;s, Duplicate content is a panda killer

Sorry I have no good news, except I have a site that recovered from Panda after 6 months or so of hard work. 

Good luck! and don&#039;t bother complaining, nobody of importance is listening.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome to Panda Hell. You&#8217;re lucky you missed the first few years, but everyone one is going to get hit eventually so welcome aboard! Well, except for the big brands.<br />
So, you need to read up on Panda, Webmasterworld might be a good place to start<br />
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#1 Panda has nothing to do with Content Farms<br />
#2 Google is unable/unwilling to tell who wrote the original content and who stole it so get working on the DMCA&#8217;s, Duplicate content is a panda killer</p>
<p>Sorry I have no good news, except I have a site that recovered from Panda after 6 months or so of hard work. </p>
<p>Good luck! and don&#8217;t bother complaining, nobody of importance is listening.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://www.websitepublisher.net/blog/2012/10/12/hit-by-google-panda-update/#comment-55012</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2012 16:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The new no.1 Shakespeare site is the most content-farm thing I know. The woman who makes this has loads of similar sites, all with  bad layouts and spammy content. Her traffic stats are public due to Quantcast: http://www.quantcast.com/william-shakespeare.info?country=GB&amp;contains=

I really don&#039;t understand the latest update, it seems to have increased rankings of spammy sites for a lot of queries. I&#039;ve literally got sites that copy my content ranking higher than mine with the original.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The new no.1 Shakespeare site is the most content-farm thing I know. The woman who makes this has loads of similar sites, all with  bad layouts and spammy content. Her traffic stats are public due to Quantcast: <a href="http://www.quantcast.com/william-shakespeare.info?country=GB&#038;contains=" rel="nofollow">http://www.quantcast.com/william-shakespeare.info?country=GB&#038;contains=</a></p>
<p>I really don&#8217;t understand the latest update, it seems to have increased rankings of spammy sites for a lot of queries. I&#8217;ve literally got sites that copy my content ranking higher than mine with the original.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.websitepublisher.net/blog/2012/10/12/hit-by-google-panda-update/#comment-54999</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2012 18:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Except that is old, I know they supposedly did a refresh but the timeline doesn&#039;t match my problems. Plus, one of the sites hardest hit had exactly 0 ad units. 

I do find it humorous that Google, through adsense, will tell you to place ads prominently, and Google, through search, now says not to.

This is another example of Google trying to second guess their existing algorithm. If all off pages factors, filtered for spam, indicate a site is high quality, then actual humans have voted and decided the ad ratio is okay. 

If things do not correct I may experiment with redesigns moving ad units around, but it doesn&#039;t seem like that is what got me here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Except that is old, I know they supposedly did a refresh but the timeline doesn&#8217;t match my problems. Plus, one of the sites hardest hit had exactly 0 ad units. </p>
<p>I do find it humorous that Google, through adsense, will tell you to place ads prominently, and Google, through search, now says not to.</p>
<p>This is another example of Google trying to second guess their existing algorithm. If all off pages factors, filtered for spam, indicate a site is high quality, then actual humans have voted and decided the ad ratio is okay. </p>
<p>If things do not correct I may experiment with redesigns moving ad units around, but it doesn&#8217;t seem like that is what got me here.</p>
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		<title>By: thomas</title>
		<link>http://www.websitepublisher.net/blog/2012/10/12/hit-by-google-panda-update/#comment-54997</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thomas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2012 18:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Did not look at your site, well in a few years at least. How many ads are above the fold?

http://searchengineland.com/too-many-ads-above-the-fold-now-penalized-by-googles-page-layout-algo-108613]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did not look at your site, well in a few years at least. How many ads are above the fold?</p>
<p><a href="http://searchengineland.com/too-many-ads-above-the-fold-now-penalized-by-googles-page-layout-algo-108613" rel="nofollow">http://searchengineland.com/too-many-ads-above-the-fold-now-penalized-by-googles-page-layout-algo-108613</a></p>
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